Artists Valerie Allen and Armin Mersmann invite you to join them in their studio discussions about art and the creative process by listening to our episodes on Art Ladders, available wherever you listen to podcasts. Each artist brings a unique perspective to the podcast. Valerie, an abstract painter and Armin, a draughtsman working in realism compare and contrast topics on art that will help guide artists as they climb the ladders of art one rung at a time. We also teach online and in-person through Zoom and Art Centers across the Midwest.